Excellent point Danny.
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Excellent point Danny.
Yes your right that is why I use the word "Interdependence" so often. You must rely on all your limbs to achieve pulling off these ridiculous patterns.
Digital
AH..
Most of it is conceptual, alot of drumming is mental.. everything is either a single or double stroke or a combination of the 2. Every time sig is either 2 beats, 3 beats or any combo..
I have a notebook filled with stuff from him, his name is Gary Garbitini.. steve knows him as well. The guy is incredible..
I like Grant but he really sounds like a Percussionist to me at times rather than a drummer. It can be so muddled and almost sloppy sounding. I saw him on the TUDW tape from Australia with Virgil and Dave and he was sloppy at times(to me) and his feet lacked the power and consistency of other greats. Good Lord! how big is his set, it is 10 times bigger than Virgil's or Vinnie's and other's and what he uses 20 pedals or something crazy like that. Maybe a little exxageration on the size but his kit looks like the percussion section at my local drum store! Not hard to make lot's of noise when you got all that STUFF! Would Like to see what he would do with a bass, snare, tom, floor tom and a couple cymbals and a hat. He does not have the clarity and clear seperation in his interdependence playing like Terry Bozzio has( I mention this because they are somewhat similar.)
Digital
Grant's feet sounded pretty nice when they were all trading licks at the end though! He played doubles very well a number of times during that section did he not?
You guys are all talking about independance and you forgot Grant Collins. His independance is the most melodic of all of them. His ostinato patterns are very intricate, alot more than what Virgil does----not to say that what Virgil does is easy.
Also, Pete Zeldman, who can play things that sound like random chaos, but then all of a sudden they repeat. His multipile time rates are worse than Mangini- he goes beyond 20. [img]eek.gif[/img]
Anyway, I have to say Vinnie is great, and all drummers draw on him for creativity. Another very creative drummer is Sean Rickman. He is very much worth checking out. I have a French Import double CD of him live with Steve Coleman. Killer shit. [img]wink.gif[/img]
AT times his feet sound nice but not amazing. I will take others in the feet department. I like Terry much more in this type of context for the reasons I already mentioned. But Grant is Good at what he does, not my cup of tea.
Grant is not a chops player. He's the first one to admit that. His DB is pretty extreme, his solo Definately not a Ballad has very intricate doubles and singles etc...
Grant's style is very tribal and Bozz is very classical.
Also, the stuff that Grant plays like Dogboy is very difficult. I saw him in Nashville after being up over 34 hours, set his smaller kit up in 2 1/2 hours that he never played before, and watched/video'd him that night. He had a couple of flubs, but you have to understand that he is forging his own challenging path, like Virg and Bozz.
I talked to Bozzio at the Florida Drum Expo97, and someone said, "Hey Terry, why don't you play a 5 piece kit?" Terry replied,"Because I would sound like everyone else."
Good points Flam. And you are right about the classical compared to tribal sound that is why it is somewhat difficult for me to get into. I have to train my ears more, so then I will hopefully dig it down the road, but he is a good solid player.
Digital